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	<title>Comments on: Recent Flooding in Washington State and (shh!) Global Warming&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://climaticidechronicles.org/2009/01/09/recent-flooding-in-washington-state-and-shh-global-warming/#comment-4311</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I&#039;m preaching to the choir . . .  I think a common misconception that people have is that global warming means the weather where they happen to live should be getting really hot. No, no, no! It means that overall the &quot;global&quot; temperature is increasing. The earth is a very big place; for one person no matter how smart or politicly correct, to claim that &quot;global warming&quot; is a &quot;hoax&quot; because of a particularly cold winter, or because of their &quot;belief&quot;  is completely idiotic. There is no way an individual is going to &quot;feel&quot; global warming. . .   however it does mean there will be climate changes associated with the increasing average global temperature, These climate changes have already caused problems. Why can&#039;t people see that we MUST err on the side of caution when it comes to the earth, and pay particular attention to the precautionary principle?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m preaching to the choir . . .  I think a common misconception that people have is that global warming means the weather where they happen to live should be getting really hot. No, no, no! It means that overall the &#8220;global&#8221; temperature is increasing. The earth is a very big place; for one person no matter how smart or politicly correct, to claim that &#8220;global warming&#8221; is a &#8220;hoax&#8221; because of a particularly cold winter, or because of their &#8220;belief&#8221;  is completely idiotic. There is no way an individual is going to &#8220;feel&#8221; global warming. . .   however it does mean there will be climate changes associated with the increasing average global temperature, These climate changes have already caused problems. Why can&#8217;t people see that we MUST err on the side of caution when it comes to the earth, and pay particular attention to the precautionary principle?</p>
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		<title>By: Fire and Ice &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://climaticidechronicles.org/2009/01/09/recent-flooding-in-washington-state-and-shh-global-warming/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fire and Ice &#8230;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Saturday when laughing about Washington&#8217;s White Monday?) Will they have any discussions of flooding in Washington State or how much of the US is in drought (including 97% of Texas) and how Texas farmers are suffering? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Saturday when laughing about Washington&#8217;s White Monday?) Will they have any discussions of flooding in Washington State or how much of the US is in drought (including 97% of Texas) and how Texas farmers are suffering? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyRook</title>
		<link>http://climaticidechronicles.org/2009/01/09/recent-flooding-in-washington-state-and-shh-global-warming/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnnyRook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I admit to being guilty as charged regarding confusing snow depth with SWE. Thank you for the correction.

As to whether there will be snow pack left by summer, as you say, we&#039;ll know in a couple of months.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit to being guilty as charged regarding confusing snow depth with SWE. Thank you for the correction.</p>
<p>As to whether there will be snow pack left by summer, as you say, we&#8217;ll know in a couple of months.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie and the Deniers</title>
		<link>http://climaticidechronicles.org/2009/01/09/recent-flooding-in-washington-state-and-shh-global-warming/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vinnie and the Deniers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a home not far from the Blewett SNOTEL, which is 97% of average. Just before Christmas it was 26% of average and in early January it was 110%. I plow a mile just to pick up my mail. Trust me on this: there is plenty of snow and there&#039;s more on the way.

Don&#039;t confuse inches of snow depth with SWE, and don&#039;t sweat SWE until late next month.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a home not far from the Blewett SNOTEL, which is 97% of average. Just before Christmas it was 26% of average and in early January it was 110%. I plow a mile just to pick up my mail. Trust me on this: there is plenty of snow and there&#8217;s more on the way.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse inches of snow depth with SWE, and don&#8217;t sweat SWE until late next month.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyRook</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnnyRook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vinnie, thanks for the updated information. I appreciate it.

As to bets, I never bet on the weather. Weather (as opposed to climate) is too unpredictable.

When you looked at this most recent data did you notice how fast the snow is continuing to melt in most places in the Cascades?

Like here at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?SVNW1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;STEVENS PASS SNOTEL (SVNW1)&lt;/a&gt; where the snow level has dropped 3.2 inches in 12 hours.

Or here at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?COPW1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CORRAL PASS SNOTEL (COPW1&lt;/a&gt;) where snow level has dropped 1.3 inches in 24 hours.

Here&#039;s another one &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?CAYW1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CAYUSE PASS SNOTEL (CAYW1)&lt;/a&gt;, 
where snow level has dropped 4.1 inched in the last 12 hours.

And still another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?KUSW1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SKOOKUM CREEK SNOTEL (KUSW1)&lt;/a&gt; where snow level has dropped 3.9 inches in the last 12 hours.

etc., etc. There are some places where snowpack has increased in the last 12 hours but they seem to be a minority.  

As to percentage of average snowfall, when I examine the chart there seem to be a fairly even split between those above 100% and those under that figure. And most of those are losing snow fast.

For example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?PTHW1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;POTATO HILL SNOTEL (PTHW1)&lt;/a&gt; which was at 135% of normal yesterday lost 2.1 inches of snow today.

In short, when I examine the data you referred me to I see a high melt rate due to warmer temperatures that is quickly undoing the effects of the heavy snows that we received in December. 

It was warm before the snows came, and now that they&#039;ve gone it&#039;s warm again and the snow is melting fast. Maybe there will be more snow and the snowpack will increase again. Certainly seems possible... You can&#039;t really predict the weather.

Meanwhile, Lewis County has had back-to-back years of 100-year or 50-year floods, or whatever you want to call them, caused by intense rain and rapid snowmelt. (You actually don&#039;t mention that part of the post at all.) That could be coincidence of course, but it also happens to fit perfectly with what the climate models predict will happen in areas like ours. Go figure.


JR]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinnie, thanks for the updated information. I appreciate it.</p>
<p>As to bets, I never bet on the weather. Weather (as opposed to climate) is too unpredictable.</p>
<p>When you looked at this most recent data did you notice how fast the snow is continuing to melt in most places in the Cascades?</p>
<p>Like here at the <a href="http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?SVNW1" rel="nofollow">STEVENS PASS SNOTEL (SVNW1)</a> where the snow level has dropped 3.2 inches in 12 hours.</p>
<p>Or here at the <a href="http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?COPW1" rel="nofollow">CORRAL PASS SNOTEL (COPW1</a>) where snow level has dropped 1.3 inches in 24 hours.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another one <a href="http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?CAYW1" rel="nofollow">CAYUSE PASS SNOTEL (CAYW1)</a>,<br />
where snow level has dropped 4.1 inched in the last 12 hours.</p>
<p>And still another <a href="http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?KUSW1" rel="nofollow">SKOOKUM CREEK SNOTEL (KUSW1)</a> where snow level has dropped 3.9 inches in the last 12 hours.</p>
<p>etc., etc. There are some places where snowpack has increased in the last 12 hours but they seem to be a minority.  </p>
<p>As to percentage of average snowfall, when I examine the chart there seem to be a fairly even split between those above 100% and those under that figure. And most of those are losing snow fast.</p>
<p>For example, <a href="http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/station/sweplot/sweplot.cgi?PTHW1" rel="nofollow">POTATO HILL SNOTEL (PTHW1)</a> which was at 135% of normal yesterday lost 2.1 inches of snow today.</p>
<p>In short, when I examine the data you referred me to I see a high melt rate due to warmer temperatures that is quickly undoing the effects of the heavy snows that we received in December. </p>
<p>It was warm before the snows came, and now that they&#8217;ve gone it&#8217;s warm again and the snow is melting fast. Maybe there will be more snow and the snowpack will increase again. Certainly seems possible&#8230; You can&#8217;t really predict the weather.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Lewis County has had back-to-back years of 100-year or 50-year floods, or whatever you want to call them, caused by intense rain and rapid snowmelt. (You actually don&#8217;t mention that part of the post at all.) That could be coincidence of course, but it also happens to fit perfectly with what the climate models predict will happen in areas like ours. Go figure.</p>
<p>JR</p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie and the Deniers</title>
		<link>http://climaticidechronicles.org/2009/01/09/recent-flooding-in-washington-state-and-shh-global-warming/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vinnie and the Deniers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The snow pack, as measured in terms of snow water equivalent, is less than 50% of normal for this point of the season throughout the Columbia Basin...&quot;

That was true on December 18. But days later the snowpack was near normal and then it shot up over 100% throughout the Columbia River drainage - with some locations reporting 250% of normal. And even after the pineapple express, the SWE is generally still above 100%.

&quot;Moreover, the melting of the recent snow means that come summer we will derive no benefit from December’s heavy snowfall.&quot;

Wanna bet? Forget the Dec. 18 chart - here&#039;s the updated SWE chart:

http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/snow.cgi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The snow pack, as measured in terms of snow water equivalent, is less than 50% of normal for this point of the season throughout the Columbia Basin&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That was true on December 18. But days later the snowpack was near normal and then it shot up over 100% throughout the Columbia River drainage &#8211; with some locations reporting 250% of normal. And even after the pineapple express, the SWE is generally still above 100%.</p>
<p>&#8220;Moreover, the melting of the recent snow means that come summer we will derive no benefit from December’s heavy snowfall.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wanna bet? Forget the Dec. 18 chart &#8211; here&#8217;s the updated SWE chart:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/snow.cgi" rel="nofollow">http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/snow/snow.cgi</a></p>
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